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This game had so much potential... Dec 10, 2015 22:34:07 GMT -5

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Post by THEButterFingerBatMan on Dec 10, 2015 22:34:07 GMT -5

Fair warning, this thread will contain spoilers. And considering this game isn't even out in North America, most people may want to stay away from this for a while.

Now that most people are gone, I would like to say that this game could have been perfect. Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi had so many things that were just not in any of the other games of the series. But they didn't include much of that. No characters exclusive to either series, aside from a few of the obvious. (Starlow, Paper Mario, Paper Bowser, etc.) They could have had Dimentio, or Fawful, Cackletta, Shadow Queen, Count Bleck, Tipi, or any combination of characters. But instead, we get Bowser and Bowser.

Magikrazy Cleft Posts: 208 Mini-Profile Background: {"image":"","color":"00FF00"}	This game had so much potential... Dec 11, 2015 1:41:38 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Magikrazy on Dec 11, 2015 1:41:38 GMT -5 How dare they want to make a decent game without resorting to cheap fanservice.
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This game had so much potential... Dec 11, 2015 6:55:57 GMT -5

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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 6:55:57 GMT -5

Antasma do show up...in the art of a Bowser's amiibo card :dk:

But eh, i'm more bothered by the rehashing of assets and the ridiculously high amount of Toads NPC (really even without OCs, they could have added Piantas, Lumas, Toadsworth, etc...) than the presence of OCs tbh.

Writing and music are still top notch.

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This game had so much potential... Dec 11, 2015 8:24:23 GMT -5

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Post by Fawfulthegreat64 on Dec 11, 2015 8:24:23 GMT -5

I wouldn't call if "cheap" fanservice. A crossover like this comes around once in a lifetime and likely won't ever come again. Taking advantage of the unique characters of each series shouldn't be too much to ask.

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This game had so much potential... Dec 11, 2015 8:59:11 GMT -5 via mobile

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Dec 11, 2015 8:24:23 GMT -5 Fawfulthegreat64 said:

I wouldn't call if "cheap" fanservice. A crossover like this comes around once in a lifetime and likely won't ever come again. Taking advantage of the unique characters of each series shouldn't be too much to ask.

Most of these characters never reappear in non-crossovers. Why would they suddenly reappear now?

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This game had so much potential... Dec 11, 2015 9:03:56 GMT -5

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Post by Fawfulthegreat64 on Dec 11, 2015 9:03:56 GMT -5

They could have kept staples like Merlon, Kammy, and at least reference others like Fawful (since he's been in as many M&L games as Starlow, he could at least have been the X boss in the battle ring) Antasma (His "death" was pathetic and Paper Jam proves that animation doesn't mean permanent death since it happened to Kamek and the Koopalings) and the Shroobs that were seen in Bowser's Castle in BIS. Also it could have cameos from partners in the original Paper Mario games (TTYD featured Parakarry and Bow after all).

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mrbowser Cleft Posts: 143	This game had so much potential... Dec 11, 2015 9:41:17 GMT -5 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mrbowser on Dec 11, 2015 9:41:17 GMT -5 So cheap fanservice that causes more of a hindrance than help.

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This game had so much potential... Dec 11, 2015 12:09:11 GMT -5

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Post by Fawfulthegreat64 on Dec 11, 2015 12:09:11 GMT -5

Out of the whole Mario RPG fanbase, most of us care about the characters they create. Look up fanart of Mario RPGs and you'll find that much of it contains the OCs of the series. You say the people who care are a niche group, well that can't make up less than half of a fanbase that's already niche (you've said yourself that these games mostly appeal to a niche group in the past)

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This game had so much potential... Dec 11, 2015 12:17:09 GMT -5 via mobile

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Post by mrbowser on Dec 11, 2015 12:17:09 GMT -5

If we are using fan art as some kind of measuring tool then the OCs are even more niche since they have way less fan art than say characters like Bowser, toad, wario, Daisy, etc etc.

You aren't helping your case.

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This game had so much potential... Dec 13, 2015 22:53:04 GMT -5 via mobile

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Dec 11, 2015 6:55:57 GMT -5 @solidfalcon3 said:

Antasma do show up...in the art of a Bowser's amiibo card :dk:

But eh, i'm more bothered by the rehashing of assets and the ridiculously high amount of Toads NPC (really even without OCs, they could have added Piantas, Lumas, Toadsworth, etc...) than the presence of OCs tbh.

Writing and music are still top notch.

a bit disappointing to hear that, but it shouldn't bother me much. I'll still probably like it.

If I were to create a Mario RPG, I'd just use characters from Mario 1, 2, 3, World, and the Galaxy titles. There's enough characters in those titles to work with without making some up.

The story would just be what it usually is to give more time to the settings and environment. The game itself would be 3D, Mario 64 style but otherwise would be similar to Thousand Year Door in terms of gameplay. But instead of partners, you could switch between Mario, Luigi, Toad, and Yoshi SPM style (for the shit I give that game, I liked that idea).

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This game had so much potential... Dec 14, 2015 15:07:33 GMT -5

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Post by cm30 on Dec 14, 2015 15:07:33 GMT -5

I'm really enjoying the game, but yeah, it could have been much better. But do you know what's more depressing?

You can see hundreds of points where some originality and new characters and ideas could have been added in, and where the story could have taken a more interesting turn. Like the whole mining operation in Twinsy Tropics that was used to get the rocket engines for Neo Bowser Castle. That could have been the start of all manners of interesting schemes and third party villain involvement... The forest area had a lot of potential too.

I'm also a little disappointed in just what returning characters were chosen here. I mean, it's much better than Sticker Star (they're actually use enemies and bosses from more obscure games in Paper Jam), but still. The Mario platformers alone could have given us a ten times more interesting cast list.

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This game had so much potential... Jan 28, 2016 20:20:17 GMT -5 nitwit likes this

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Post by spongyoshi on Jan 28, 2016 20:20:17 GMT -5

This might be an unpopular opinion but..
I feel like Paper Jam is the weakest game for both series.
The game is really REALLY repetitive, almost all levels looks alike, the plot isn't THAT interesting and you are usually doing the same battles over and over again..
I had more fun playing Sticker Star tbh..

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This game had so much potential... Jan 28, 2016 23:33:57 GMT -5

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Post by nitwit on Jan 28, 2016 23:33:57 GMT -5

Jan 28, 2016 20:20:17 GMT -5 spongyoshi said:

This might be an unpopular opinion but..
I feel like Paper Jam is the weakest game for both series.
The game is really REALLY repetitive, almost all levels looks alike, the plot isn't THAT interesting and you are usually doing the same battles over and over again..
I had more fun playing Sticker Star tbh..

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This game had so much potential... Jan 29, 2016 8:52:24 GMT -5

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Jan 28, 2016 20:20:17 GMT -5 spongyoshi said:

This might be an unpopular opinion but..
I feel like Paper Jam is the weakest game for both series.
The game is really REALLY repetitive, almost all levels looks alike, the plot isn't THAT interesting and you are usually doing the same battles over and over again..
I had more fun playing Sticker Star tbh..

Ehh, personally i feel Paper Jam tried to improve a few things Sticker Star did, so i consider it above it.

It still is the weakest M&L to me imo.

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This game had so much potential... Feb 4, 2016 7:01:18 GMT -5

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Post by spongyoshi on Feb 4, 2016 7:01:18 GMT -5

I prefear Sticker Star for some reasons
1- An original gameplay and less repetitive. You get a lot of different stickers and the battle system is original. It's kinda too in Paper Jam but you usually do the same attacks over and over. Plus, I've finished both Dream Team and Sticker Star twice so it's getting old..
2- Sticker Star's soundtrack was more memorable.. (Sorry to the composer of Paper Jam but I liked her work more in Dream Team.)
3- More stuff happens and the pace is GOOD! Each level (well, at least most of them.) have something unique compared to the others Spoilers alert..
In one, you loose all your stickers and need to get them back.
In another one, the whole level is a quizz show.
Or there's one where you have to collect Boos.
Ect, ect. There's more stuff that happens and you want to know what surprises the next level gives you! Paper Jam.. You kinda want at first but after a while.. It's just so boring and repetitive. All theses battles, all this generic overworld.. And the story doesn't save that..
That's too bad because at first, the game is fun. But then, it became really too unpleasant...
So yeah that's my opinion about why I prefear Sticker Star than this! :posh:

Also, I usually look at GameFAQs to see all the people being butthurt about the car system in Mario Party (That I enjoyed. btw.) so I only look at it to laugh but in another way.. :chortles:

This game had so much potential...

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