Both Sticker Star and Color Splash are NOT RPGs

It really does depend on how you define RPGs, doesn't it? RolePlaying Games is way too general because you play as a role in just about every game. The typical "level up, do turn based battles, complete quests" thing is a bit too restricted as well because many games that are defined as RPGs don't have any of those elements.

I'd still call 'em RPGs. No idea what else they would be.

Well give em reasons why ya think that and I'll send ya a counter argument.

"HP, characters, dialogue, and story" All game have those ya know that, right? Super Mario Bros had all of those, so does that make it a RPG too? If ya want me to understand your point of view well your sorta not doing a good job at it.

Well keep in mind it was rushed and a lot of what ya said may have been planned but got cut out. FF2 didn't have experiences system and that work well enough, I could say PM was trying something different and not restrict the player to grinding considering the bosses were harder then normal. The way the stats do increase when beating said boss suggest that the level up was intended but again cut out. Of course it could be Tabata BS too. As for splash well I don't feel I know enough to say the Lev. up system is omitted or may a different style in general will be added to replace it.

"Exploring" did the other game not did that too? A artifact that corrupts wishes and even the user isn't compelling at all? Sure it wasn't explain well but it's there. Well why compare when you know it's different and may have little involve with them. That is something I never do, it's flat out unfair to compare two games that are different top each other. It screams agraents. Art is art no mater if it's the same picture but done by someone else. Not saying SS isn't flawed because it's greatly flawed no mistakes their but compering it to the likes of PM2 just isn't fair for thing trying something new. Should I assume every Sonic game is horrible just because it doesn't fallow SA2 style?

As for the RPG in general it core is what ya said doesn't make a RPG game, it's the system RPG is base on all pen and paper games and it's define but a battle system and game that doesn't have one isn't a RPG. SPM doesn't it's not a true one but SS does albit a complex and strange set up one. Even JRPG with it's more Action style has a battle system going for them too. That is my define of a RPG, rather your call bull or just indifferent to that idea that is your opinion.

My good sir, did you forget that you were the one that impose your ideals apon me? It why I asked to begin with has I didn't understand your point of view. Is that a crime now?

Well omitting a Level up system has pluses and negatives, so that opinionated if ya like it or not. Really the only reason it exist in PM is for HP/FP/BP other wise it wouldn't be that needed which I remind you stopped at SPM but they decides to keep it anyway. Why not continue I don't know. Judging PJ I doubt a Level System was that big of a deal. I well in sense the sticker did that job, once again poorly but that's my theory as to why they didn't want to use badges or abilities. I heard people call Zelda RPG too so I guess it not too far off. As for puzzles well Stickers was good for that at least. Eh, sound like Puzzles are bad thing from what I gather, despite those game have them too. Well if ya feel it that way then that's all I can say, it's just doesn't feel like that for me.

Sigh, nature is unfair, people are unfair, that is how it works. You can't be a bit unfair when comparing anything with out being a bit favoring one side over the other. Comparing isn't about fairness it's about showing what is wrong or right about something. Giving the choice you would pick Zelda regardless because it appeals to your taste more thus you neglect the other series wouldn't that be a it unfair to someone that hasn't played either? You may not but a whole lot of people sure do.

Then what does turn-base battle mean then?

I was just curious on why ya think that. I didn't think we get into this sort of thing.

Eh can we agree that it as some kind of Hybrid thing that fail? Nintendo wants to call it an Action/adventure game so even though I disagree with that my word vs their so I lose.

I have ranted enough as is best, just to move. I apologizes for the trouble.

I agree to that, I personally think it did well just not to the PM name. I think it might had a better time if it wasn't PM but that's just me. Gotta love them and twisted words like that make them sound different.

I think we are in a sense both right, being Hybrid it could take ideas form few genres not just one or two. Similar taste but different views. It would be a cool idea if they are trying to make something new, outside of the genres. I guess the future will tell us in time.

It's like they are scared that new IP will just bomb if they don't attached it to a well know figure to it. I would love a new IP that use similar ideas but made it different enough that it wouldn't seem like a rip off.

Yeah it used Puzzles, Adventure, a bit of RPG, and some strategy type games. It works but I considering the Pm fan base, I don't think it was smart move. Donno if Splash will change anything but we will see.

They have more in common with rpgs then not.

Some of you don't really play that much RPGs outside of Mario & Luigi, Final Fantasy, Pokemon, and Nintendo stuff. The RPG genre is vast and wide and rich with different games. What you listed above doesn't even scratch the surface of RPG games.

I don't see how Sticker Star / Color Splash somehow qualifies as "less" of an RPG than the other games in the series. The tagline BS people keep harping on about singles out this game when Paper Mario 64 had a similar tag line.

My definition is very vague and not intended to be the catch-all, but it's hard defining the genre sometimes. I still strongly think Sticker Star/Color Splash are RPGs since it doesn't really neatly fit into other genres aside from action-adventure, which is super vague enough, and it does have all the traits I consider it to be an RPG.