Post by THEButterFingerBatMan on Nov 21, 2016 16:49:06 GMT -5
Alright. I made a thread on this before, I think... But I have a bit more info since. There will be spoilers for pretty much all Mario and Luigi games aside from Paper Jam.
Now, this theory has the idea that Baby Mario and Luigi never saw the events of Superstar Saga in mind. Because of this, by Bowsers Inside Story, Mario and Luigi (Now grown up) didn't know that Fawful was evil when first meeting him in BIS. After all, he was just a guy who sold people badges. However, Mario and Luigi were both absolutely terrified when they see the Shroobs in BIS...
Post by solidfalcon3 on Nov 21, 2016 20:16:46 GMT -5
Remind me of that split timeline theory i had, basically there is one timeline where the bros go back and create a new set of events and another one where they don't which create two timelines, like:
Original timeline = The baby bros manage to defeat the shroobs on their own > SSS > PiT (present) > PJ (DT events doesn't seem to happen)
Altered = The baby bros recieve help to defeat the shroobs > Alternate SSS where they don't meet Fawful > BiS > DT.
Frozen Elder Shroob Princess is from original timeline and she hoped to the alternate one.
BiS Fawful is from the alternate one, he defected from Cackletta earlier and thus did not fought the bros until BiS.
Shopkeeper Fawful is still alive in the original one but idk what he is doing.
So is Antasma (they didn't come to Pi'illo island there, so he should be still sealed away)
Remind me of that split timeline theory i had, basically there is one timeline where the bros go back and create a new set of events and another one where they don't which create two timelines, like:
Original timeline = The baby bros manage to defeat the shroobs on their own > SSS > PiT (present) > PJ (DT events doesn't seem to happen)
Altered = The baby bros recieve help to defeat the shroobs > Alternate SSS where they don't meet Fawful > BiS > DT.
Frozen Elder Shroob Princess is from original timeline and she hoped to the alternate one.
BiS Fawful is from the alternate one, he defected from Cackletta earlier and thus did not fought the bros until BiS.
Shopkeeper Fawful is still alive in the original one but idk what he is doing.
So is Antasma (they didn't come to Pi'illo island there, so he should be still sealed away)
I find that kind of a stretch, to just say that someone with THE BIGGEST ROLE in the Final Boss of SS's existence just wasn't in there in the timeline where Fawful actually did anything extremely meaningful... I don't exactly remember if the babies went back to the baby timeline after PiT, but I feel like they probably didn't and thus skipped over the entire SSS thing themselves. Also explains why there isn't a single SS character who returns and is recognized in a later game, yet the Shroobs were very familiar to them. There are BIS characters who return in DT as well, of course.
Remind me of that split timeline theory i had, basically there is one timeline where the bros go back and create a new set of events and another one where they don't which create two timelines, like:
Original timeline = The baby bros manage to defeat the shroobs on their own > SSS > PiT (present) > PJ (DT events doesn't seem to happen)
Altered = The baby bros recieve help to defeat the shroobs > Alternate SSS where they don't meet Fawful > BiS > DT.
Frozen Elder Shroob Princess is from original timeline and she hoped to the alternate one.
BiS Fawful is from the alternate one, he defected from Cackletta earlier and thus did not fought the bros until BiS.
Shopkeeper Fawful is still alive in the original one but idk what he is doing.
So is Antasma (they didn't come to Pi'illo island there, so he should be still sealed away)
I find that kind of a stretch, to just say that someone with THE BIGGEST ROLE in the Final Boss of SS's existence just wasn't in there in the timeline where Fawful actually did anything extremely meaningful... I don't exactly remember if the babies went back to the baby timeline after PiT, but I feel like they probably didn't and thus skipped over the entire SSS thing themselves. Also explains why there isn't a single SS character who returns and is recognized in a later game, yet the Shroobs were very familiar to them. There are BIS characters who return in DT as well, of course.
Popple come back in DT and Queen Beanbean is mentioned.
What is interesting is that Popple doesn't recognize them (neither do Kylie) but some beanbean guy mention that there was some threat in their kingdom that was taken care of.
Make it feel like SSS events did happen but for some reason the BiS/DT Mario bros didn't meet Popple nor Fawful (since they don't recognize them) during those events.
Last Edit: Nov 22, 2016 9:24:32 GMT -5 by solidfalcon3
I find that kind of a stretch, to just say that someone with THE BIGGEST ROLE in the Final Boss of SS's existence just wasn't in there in the timeline where Fawful actually did anything extremely meaningful... I don't exactly remember if the babies went back to the baby timeline after PiT, but I feel like they probably didn't and thus skipped over the entire SSS thing themselves. Also explains why there isn't a single SS character who returns and is recognized in a later game, yet the Shroobs were very familiar to them. There are BIS characters who return in DT as well, of course.
Popple come back in DT and Queen Beanbean is mentioned.
What is interesting is that Popple doesn't recognize them (neither do Kylie) but some beanbean guy mention that there was some threat in their kingdom that was taken care of.
Make it feel like SSS events did happen but for some reason the BiS/DT Mario bros didn't meet Popple nor Fawful (since they don't recognize them) during those events.
But the storyline of SSS isn't even possible without those characters.
False Poople said that Mario and Luigi remind him certain stache fools that ruin is earlier plans. Seem like he does know them just not exactly figure them out. As for Kylie, that was long ago and she I would say that memories of the old days can become clouded. Mario and Luigi seem to reconise them. Not so sure for Fawful, as they never seen him in BiS but Starlow did all of the talking any way so I guess we wouldn't. Along with Fawful announcing himself as soon as Bowser encounter (second time) himself so no reason for them to talk about who he is.
False Poople said that Mario and Luigi remind him certain stache fools that ruin is earlier plans. Seem like he does know them just not exactly figure them out. As for Kylie, that was long ago and she I would say that memories of the old days can become clouded. Mario and Luigi seem to reconise them. Not so sure for Fawful, as they never seen him in BiS but Starlow did all of the talking any way so I guess we wouldn't. Along with Fawful announcing himself as soon as Bowser encounter (second time) himself so no reason for them to talk about who he is.
Well i guess what we learned is that memory ain't the best attribute of M&L characters
Still time travel is all wonky in PiT, so idk what kind of effect it could have on the present (the biggest mystery is how Elder Shroob Princesse somehow ended up in Bowser's freezer when she got reduced into a spirit then destroyed during the final battle which was in the present with no Shroobs)
False Poople said that Mario and Luigi remind him certain stache fools that ruin is earlier plans. Seem like he does know them just not exactly figure them out. As for Kylie, that was long ago and she I would say that memories of the old days can become clouded. Mario and Luigi seem to reconise them. Not so sure for Fawful, as they never seen him in BiS but Starlow did all of the talking any way so I guess we wouldn't. Along with Fawful announcing himself as soon as Bowser encounter (second time) himself so no reason for them to talk about who he is.
But you'd expect at least SOME reaction from Mario. Like, they tell Starlow what happened with him in the past. Like they did with the Shroobs.
I see didn't know, how indeed. There might be a backstory/plot twist in the works. Since Alpha Dream seem to be showing of the Shroobs, maybe they too will have second coming much like Fawful.
For what? Fewful was underplay in SS and Cackletta stole the show. Seem like Fawful have intentionally given the forgotten treatment as he was just working on someone greater (As far as we knew). Sure he had his moments but otherwise not much they could really say on him. That's my theory anyway.
I see didn't know, how indeed. There might be a backstory/plot twist in the works. Since Alpha Dream seem to be showing of the Shroobs, maybe they too will have second coming much like Fawful.
That's kinda why i think DT's end might have set on the possibility of Antasma's unleashing them, since his last words made it clear he would try to get his revenge on Bowser.