List of paper jokes, Toad jokes and other stuff (SPOILERS!)
Aug 23, 2017 12:38:59 GMT -5
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Post by TyrorexDMZ on Aug 23, 2017 12:38:59 GMT -5
MAJOR SPOILERS FOR COLOR SPLASH UP AHEAD!
Because I had nothing better to do, I decided to catalogue the following moments, how often they happen, and when.
-The paper aesthetic is explicitly brought up in paper terms
-Toads jokes and the moments where the game reinforces "male Toads only" is the "norm". Also, whenever the player has to be told a generic character (not just Toads) is a past one or something else.
-Huey's personality unnaturally changing from his "guardian joker" personality and/or he answers himself due to the lack of other partners for him to play off of, as well as whenever he brings up he's the only partner
-the game implying the first three games didn't happen, whenever it avoids mentioning the games at obvious points, and/or whenever it infers the Sticker Star overworld and Prism Island are the "whole world"
-major plotholes happening due to not proofreading the story, not explaining or clarifying certain points, or the paper jokes leading to massive holes
There's a few repeats of stuff I've said before, but it's nice to have a catalogue of these things. Most of this is stuff I noticed when working on you-know-what, though I re-checked playthrough videos on Youtube for a reminder. That said, I may have missed a few in each section.
SECTION A- PAPER PAPER PAPER, I'M MADE OF PAPER. PS- PAPER.
1. PORT PRISMA 1- Mario "looks like a used gum wrapper! Iron yourself out"!
2. PORT PRISMA 1- Huey explains paint, the stuff the world is made of. This ties into the retcon section, too, but I'm listing it here.
3. PORT PRISMA 1- Huey "turned to 2D flat paper" by Mario squeezing him. This one recurs throughout the game, but it ties into one of the times the paper jokes lead to a normal joke not making sense.
4. PORT PRISMA 1- Peach "flattens Mario’s crinkling" in her guest room.
5. CHERRY LAKE 1- Shy Guy Stack.
6. CHERRY LAKE 1- "Nonflat 3D objects" called Things.
7. INDIGO UNDERGROUND- "Flattened, crumpled" Squad.
8. INDIGO UNDERGROUND- "Tossed like a fast food receipt". I listed this one because the captain already had a paper joke, making him and his henchman too similar in ideology. This is also part of the problem of the Toads not having as individual a voice as CS fans claim.
9. BLOO BAY BEACH 1- Huey "would swim if he weren’t made of Paper".
10. PORT PRISMA POST CHAPTER 1- Holo Peachs "being so flat you’d swear they were real".
11. GOLDEN COLISEUM- Iggy “pushing this paper plumber”
12. LIGHTHOUSE ISLAND- "paper people rumpled and sog under the waterfall"
13. FORTUNE ISLAND- "all the guts in the world don’t mean squat when you’re made of paper".
14. MUSTARD CAFÉ- Mario and Huey being blown into the Purple hole by mere wind.
15. TANGERINO GRILL 2- Crumpled body? Two to four weeks to recover?
16. SUNSET EXPRESS- “Scrap…paper in the…wastepaper basket”
17. SUNSET EXPRESS- the Rescue Squad being able to float out of the windows despite not having any gliding equipment or wings, simply because they’re made of paper. There's simply no other way to interpret this.
18. REDPEPPER CRATER- “I’m made of paper and you’re not. So have fun”.
SECTION B- TOAD AWARENESS, INFORMED ATTRIBUTES AND NEEDLESS REMINDERS
1. PORT PRISMA 1- Peach "thanks...uh, Purple Toad".
2. RUDDY ROAD 1- house of Toads
3. BLOO BAY BEACH 1- "pumped Toads" and "Toads around the Fountain"
4. BLOO BAY BEACH 1- Five Fun Guys, the identical twins
5. DAFFODIL PEAK- The fake Toad Mountain Sage
6. CHAPTER 4- Genuinely friendly, non-Bowser related Shy Guy NPCs only existing in a parallel dimension
7. FORTUNE ISLAND- The Legendary Captain being a Toad and not remembering what Toads look like
8. CHAPTER 5- All the restaurant guests being Toads, with both Huey and Larry pointing this out
9. MOSSROCK THEATRE w/SUNSET EXPRESS- "I'm the Shy Guy you talked to on the Sunset Express, remember?"
10. EMERALD CIRCUS- Yoshis only appearing in this stage as circus animals
11. EMERALD CIRCUS- the red Rescue Squad Toad pointing out the overuse of generic Toads...in a game that's still using them
12. EMERALD CIRCUS- one of the red Rescue Squad Toads being female, yet looking like the other Rescue Toads
13. GAMEWIDE- Piper being hidden behind a sidequest rather than having involvement in the main story, his whole punchline that he's not a Toad
14. PORT PRISMA (recurring)- Toad Dances
15. ROSHAMBEAU TEMPLE- The Wizard's "true identity"
16. GAMEWIDE- The only other species to interact with being Bowser's minions, who aren't actually citizens of Prism Island
SECTION C- HUEY'S INCONSISTENT PERSONALITY & BRINGING UP HE'S THE ONLY PARTNER
1. PORT PRISMA 1- alone in Mario's pocket
2. BLOO BAY BEACH 1- Huey immediately changing his mind on the Toads having Oceanfest
3. DAFFODIL PEAK- Huey from happy to horrid
4. SACRED FOREST 2- Huey alone in Mario's pocket near the Micro Goomba Army
5. VORTEX ISLAND- Huey suddenly being reckless with the safety of others
6. LIGHTHOUSE ISLAND- Huey being annoyed at meeting the Lighthouse Toad not being normal, despite rarely actually having a problem with the other Toads
7. SACRED FOREST CHAPTER 6- Huey responding to his own "gloss" joke without any break in text balloons or any expression from Mario
SECTION D- PREVIOUS GAMES BEING IGNORED EVEN DURING OBVIOUS OPPORTUNITIES AND OVER-TRUMPING THE NEW GAMES' CONTRIBUTIONS OVER WHAT CAME BEFORE
1. MARIO'S HOUSE- Even ignoring the obvious, Mario's only picture being of Hither Thither Mill- not even any people.
2. PORT PRISMA 1- "Paint adds beauty and life to our world". While Huey might have meant figuratively on the line's own, the next point more clearly indicates he meant literally
2b. PORT PRISMA POST CHAPTER 1- supplying the fountain and our world with nourishing paint. There were limits with how and how often regions and items normally affected the Mushroom World and even universe in previous games. Here, however, the out-in-the-open Prisma Fountain "normally" affects the entire world all the time.
3. DARK BLOO INN- the three pictures in the lobby all depicting Sticker Star locations, despite two of these pictures only appearing in this lobby and one being the recycled Mill
4. VIOLET PASSAGE 2- A Red Toad crewmate not even loosely mentioning Cortez or Flavio when it comes to legendary captains
SECTION E- UNINTENDED PLOTHOLES AND TIMES THE PAPER MOTIF IS JARRINGLY INCONSISTENT OR LEADS TO ONE
These are what really convinced me this game's story doesn't work, and why the overarching stuff is just as important to iron out as the chapter stuff.
1. KIWANO TEMPLE 1- Big Spiny being the chief of a locked temple, yet working for Bowser.
2. CHAPTER 4- The Toads of the three islands knowing who Mario is, despite their islands supposedly being near-impossible to find and not having any Mario images around
3. FORTUNE ISLAND- The legendary captain still being middle aged and having no facial hair or shave spots despite having to have been around long enough for there to be a legend
4. REDPEPPER CRATER- Lava Bubbles having a paper border, yet not incinerating from their own existence (which is why the miniboss joke doesn't make sense)
5. GREEN ENERGY PLANT- Huey thinking him being made of metal is what attracted the lightning…despite him giving up (and regaining) that property being a major plot point
6. PORT PRISMA FINAL FLASHBACK- (facepalm) the startling lack of a more concrete explanation on the finer details of Black Bowser’s creation or any unseen black paint entities preceding; leading to wondering why there isn’t an army of Black Toads if it's that easy, or why none of Bowser’s minions are covered in black paint; in turn begging the question why Roy and Bowser aren’t hurt by the black paint; cycling back to why Black Bowser didn’t slather his minions in black paint if he practically wanted to marry the stuff; leading back to the lack of history on this phenomenon, back to the lack of Black Toads, ad nauseam, and AUGGHHHHH!
7. ENDING- Peach blaming Bowser for everything, despite earlier explaining she knew something was controlling Bowser
8. GAMEWIDE- The Koopalings stating this is the first time they’ve met Mario, yet Huey later confirming (most of) the first 30 years of Mario happened- leading to...
9. GAMEWIDE- Huey suddenly knowing a lot of Mario references and history (Green Energy Plant and Black Bowser Castle), despite only knowing and meeting Mario at the beginning of this game
10. GAMEWIDE- Luigi sending letters, hiding on Prism Island and racing a go kart all at the same time, despite the second and third roles being mutually exclusive things
11. GAMEWIDE- The world not sinking into the sea or burned by the lava despite being made of cardboard
Because I had nothing better to do, I decided to catalogue the following moments, how often they happen, and when.
-The paper aesthetic is explicitly brought up in paper terms
-Toads jokes and the moments where the game reinforces "male Toads only" is the "norm". Also, whenever the player has to be told a generic character (not just Toads) is a past one or something else.
-Huey's personality unnaturally changing from his "guardian joker" personality and/or he answers himself due to the lack of other partners for him to play off of, as well as whenever he brings up he's the only partner
-the game implying the first three games didn't happen, whenever it avoids mentioning the games at obvious points, and/or whenever it infers the Sticker Star overworld and Prism Island are the "whole world"
-major plotholes happening due to not proofreading the story, not explaining or clarifying certain points, or the paper jokes leading to massive holes
There's a few repeats of stuff I've said before, but it's nice to have a catalogue of these things. Most of this is stuff I noticed when working on you-know-what, though I re-checked playthrough videos on Youtube for a reminder. That said, I may have missed a few in each section.
SECTION A- PAPER PAPER PAPER, I'M MADE OF PAPER. PS- PAPER.
1. PORT PRISMA 1- Mario "looks like a used gum wrapper! Iron yourself out"!
2. PORT PRISMA 1- Huey explains paint, the stuff the world is made of. This ties into the retcon section, too, but I'm listing it here.
3. PORT PRISMA 1- Huey "turned to 2D flat paper" by Mario squeezing him. This one recurs throughout the game, but it ties into one of the times the paper jokes lead to a normal joke not making sense.
4. PORT PRISMA 1- Peach "flattens Mario’s crinkling" in her guest room.
5. CHERRY LAKE 1- Shy Guy Stack.
6. CHERRY LAKE 1- "Nonflat 3D objects" called Things.
7. INDIGO UNDERGROUND- "Flattened, crumpled" Squad.
8. INDIGO UNDERGROUND- "Tossed like a fast food receipt". I listed this one because the captain already had a paper joke, making him and his henchman too similar in ideology. This is also part of the problem of the Toads not having as individual a voice as CS fans claim.
9. BLOO BAY BEACH 1- Huey "would swim if he weren’t made of Paper".
10. PORT PRISMA POST CHAPTER 1- Holo Peachs "being so flat you’d swear they were real".
11. GOLDEN COLISEUM- Iggy “pushing this paper plumber”
12. LIGHTHOUSE ISLAND- "paper people rumpled and sog under the waterfall"
13. FORTUNE ISLAND- "all the guts in the world don’t mean squat when you’re made of paper".
14. MUSTARD CAFÉ- Mario and Huey being blown into the Purple hole by mere wind.
15. TANGERINO GRILL 2- Crumpled body? Two to four weeks to recover?
16. SUNSET EXPRESS- “Scrap…paper in the…wastepaper basket”
17. SUNSET EXPRESS- the Rescue Squad being able to float out of the windows despite not having any gliding equipment or wings, simply because they’re made of paper. There's simply no other way to interpret this.
18. REDPEPPER CRATER- “I’m made of paper and you’re not. So have fun”.
SECTION B- TOAD AWARENESS, INFORMED ATTRIBUTES AND NEEDLESS REMINDERS
1. PORT PRISMA 1- Peach "thanks...uh, Purple Toad".
2. RUDDY ROAD 1- house of Toads
3. BLOO BAY BEACH 1- "pumped Toads" and "Toads around the Fountain"
4. BLOO BAY BEACH 1- Five Fun Guys, the identical twins
5. DAFFODIL PEAK- The fake Toad Mountain Sage
6. CHAPTER 4- Genuinely friendly, non-Bowser related Shy Guy NPCs only existing in a parallel dimension
7. FORTUNE ISLAND- The Legendary Captain being a Toad and not remembering what Toads look like
8. CHAPTER 5- All the restaurant guests being Toads, with both Huey and Larry pointing this out
9. MOSSROCK THEATRE w/SUNSET EXPRESS- "I'm the Shy Guy you talked to on the Sunset Express, remember?"
10. EMERALD CIRCUS- Yoshis only appearing in this stage as circus animals
11. EMERALD CIRCUS- the red Rescue Squad Toad pointing out the overuse of generic Toads...in a game that's still using them
12. EMERALD CIRCUS- one of the red Rescue Squad Toads being female, yet looking like the other Rescue Toads
13. GAMEWIDE- Piper being hidden behind a sidequest rather than having involvement in the main story, his whole punchline that he's not a Toad
14. PORT PRISMA (recurring)- Toad Dances
15. ROSHAMBEAU TEMPLE- The Wizard's "true identity"
16. GAMEWIDE- The only other species to interact with being Bowser's minions, who aren't actually citizens of Prism Island
SECTION C- HUEY'S INCONSISTENT PERSONALITY & BRINGING UP HE'S THE ONLY PARTNER
1. PORT PRISMA 1- alone in Mario's pocket
2. BLOO BAY BEACH 1- Huey immediately changing his mind on the Toads having Oceanfest
3. DAFFODIL PEAK- Huey from happy to horrid
4. SACRED FOREST 2- Huey alone in Mario's pocket near the Micro Goomba Army
5. VORTEX ISLAND- Huey suddenly being reckless with the safety of others
6. LIGHTHOUSE ISLAND- Huey being annoyed at meeting the Lighthouse Toad not being normal, despite rarely actually having a problem with the other Toads
7. SACRED FOREST CHAPTER 6- Huey responding to his own "gloss" joke without any break in text balloons or any expression from Mario
SECTION D- PREVIOUS GAMES BEING IGNORED EVEN DURING OBVIOUS OPPORTUNITIES AND OVER-TRUMPING THE NEW GAMES' CONTRIBUTIONS OVER WHAT CAME BEFORE
1. MARIO'S HOUSE- Even ignoring the obvious, Mario's only picture being of Hither Thither Mill- not even any people.
2. PORT PRISMA 1- "Paint adds beauty and life to our world". While Huey might have meant figuratively on the line's own, the next point more clearly indicates he meant literally
2b. PORT PRISMA POST CHAPTER 1- supplying the fountain and our world with nourishing paint. There were limits with how and how often regions and items normally affected the Mushroom World and even universe in previous games. Here, however, the out-in-the-open Prisma Fountain "normally" affects the entire world all the time.
3. DARK BLOO INN- the three pictures in the lobby all depicting Sticker Star locations, despite two of these pictures only appearing in this lobby and one being the recycled Mill
4. VIOLET PASSAGE 2- A Red Toad crewmate not even loosely mentioning Cortez or Flavio when it comes to legendary captains
SECTION E- UNINTENDED PLOTHOLES AND TIMES THE PAPER MOTIF IS JARRINGLY INCONSISTENT OR LEADS TO ONE
These are what really convinced me this game's story doesn't work, and why the overarching stuff is just as important to iron out as the chapter stuff.
1. KIWANO TEMPLE 1- Big Spiny being the chief of a locked temple, yet working for Bowser.
2. CHAPTER 4- The Toads of the three islands knowing who Mario is, despite their islands supposedly being near-impossible to find and not having any Mario images around
3. FORTUNE ISLAND- The legendary captain still being middle aged and having no facial hair or shave spots despite having to have been around long enough for there to be a legend
4. REDPEPPER CRATER- Lava Bubbles having a paper border, yet not incinerating from their own existence (which is why the miniboss joke doesn't make sense)
5. GREEN ENERGY PLANT- Huey thinking him being made of metal is what attracted the lightning…despite him giving up (and regaining) that property being a major plot point
6. PORT PRISMA FINAL FLASHBACK- (facepalm) the startling lack of a more concrete explanation on the finer details of Black Bowser’s creation or any unseen black paint entities preceding; leading to wondering why there isn’t an army of Black Toads if it's that easy, or why none of Bowser’s minions are covered in black paint; in turn begging the question why Roy and Bowser aren’t hurt by the black paint; cycling back to why Black Bowser didn’t slather his minions in black paint if he practically wanted to marry the stuff; leading back to the lack of history on this phenomenon, back to the lack of Black Toads, ad nauseam, and AUGGHHHHH!
7. ENDING- Peach blaming Bowser for everything, despite earlier explaining she knew something was controlling Bowser
8. GAMEWIDE- The Koopalings stating this is the first time they’ve met Mario, yet Huey later confirming (most of) the first 30 years of Mario happened- leading to...
9. GAMEWIDE- Huey suddenly knowing a lot of Mario references and history (Green Energy Plant and Black Bowser Castle), despite only knowing and meeting Mario at the beginning of this game
10. GAMEWIDE- Luigi sending letters, hiding on Prism Island and racing a go kart all at the same time, despite the second and third roles being mutually exclusive things
11. GAMEWIDE- The world not sinking into the sea or burned by the lava despite being made of cardboard
