Post by solidfalcon3 on May 1, 2014 18:53:17 GMT -5
That would plain trolling and Nintendo should feel bad.
I had this idea of plot, basically someone unfreeze midbus and the shroobs then mention that they should get some macguffin which would help to rule the world, eventually the Elder shroob princess get the macguffin midgame but the bro defeat her then as the bros celebrate said someone steal the Macguffin and reveal to be Antasma which then go to become the villain of the game helped by Midbus (who will side with him since both hate Bowser's guts), eventually midbus become the penultimate boss trying to stall the bros and maybe Bowser while Antasma succesfully manage to use the macguffin by using Bowser or some of his essence setting himself as the final boss, he is defeated after an epic battle and end up in the same situation as Fawful, however unlike him (since the game reveal he was a tragic villain), he accept Starlow's words and fly away, possibly renoucing being evil and searching like Bleck a place where he can be happy.
Bowser only kidnap Peach for the thrill, once he get her, he get bored and let himself beat by Mario so he can kidnap her next day
Also, a fun through what do you think the RPG characters would get as a Mario Kart ads ? Fawful's motors ? Antasma's Nightmare Fuel ?
I love that story! I think Princess Shroob was in the freezer, right? The elder one. Or did I imagine that? I love that you decided to team Antasma and Midbus. Best part? You did not have Midbus betray him! I wonder what form Midbus will take this time to defeat the heroes. I'd like to see him fight the Mario Bros. if possible. He only saw them before the Junker battle last time. Antasma surviving is a good idea too. Not all villains need to die off, especially tragic ones. Good ideas, man. As always with you. The Shroobs were also one of my favorites, so you basically took the best parts of the last 3 Mario and Luigi games and combined them. Shroobs + Midbus + Antasma= Perfect world!
Nintendo does troll a lot. I can see them doing it with King Boo.
So basically Bowser needs more spice in his life. Poor guy, trapped in a cycle of boredom and defeat.
Post by solidfalcon3 on May 1, 2014 19:27:37 GMT -5
As for the setting, i think it could deal with the dimensions, not only it could be a great way hinting Antasma's connection to Bleck tribe but also would explain why he need the elder princess shroob since she can open rifts through time and space. As for Midbus i could imagine Antasma proposing to help Midus but Midbus would refuse out of honor and Antasma being also a noble villain would respect that but would at least grant him some of his powers to make the fight even, effectivelly turning the Midbus fight into a shout to Dream team with Midbus being assisted by bats.
That why sometime he decide to go karting with Mario
Vim fuel 100% natural (need some black humor), Pi'illo island seats, Association for witches racing (with Cackleta, Ashley and Rosalina), A little hungry ? Tired ? Try Antasmunchies.
And most of it: Demented, the new fragrance, by Dimentio.
Yeah, that setting could work. Nicely foreshadows the Bleck connection. Midbus did have pride and honor, so he would fit in nicely with the noble Antasma. Assisted by bats could work. I wonder where the final battles will take place. What would be the final area?
Don't forget all the sporting events and parties! Bowser will always be a playable character in Mario Kart. I know that much.
Oh lord, that Vim fuel joke! You are a sick man! Fawful Dental Care. Toad Polka dot markers. King Boo on a milk carton under the missing section.
Demented by Dimentio would be something I'd actually buy. I'd also buy O'cabbage, by O'Chunks! Yeah, these idea may backfire with unwanted side effects!
Post by solidfalcon3 on May 1, 2014 20:11:14 GMT -5
I could see Midbus encasing the bats in blocks of ice, increasing their attack (when they charge at you) and defense, thus needing a fire attack to neutralize them.
As for the final battle, maybe something like "The Center of All Worlds" (kind of like the Center of the Universe in SMG) a surreal Antasma-ified dimension with purple vines and weird bio technological machines around, Antasma want to use this place as a focal point to affect all of space and time and all of creation. During the final battle Antasma disrupt the dimensional fabric (thanks to the Elder shroob princess time hole ability) and you fight him as all of creation start fading away a in psychedelic way (fitting Antasma's dreamy nature)
Speaking of which if the Zeekeeper battle is anything to go, then there is a good chance the next game will be focused on dimensions (combine this with the possible foreshadowing of Antasma X and you will feel that Bleck will get a horrible "Oh Crap" as another one of his tribe show up )
I think we should do a thread where we can post all our ideas for ads do you think ?
Post by solidfalcon3 on May 1, 2014 20:58:02 GMT -5
Another idea would be that Antasma throw a restored Dark Stone for Midbus to eat transforming him into Nightmarish Midbus to counter Dreamy Bowser, Nightmarish Midbus then use reality warping version of his moves and in a comical way when he is defeated his form break, Midbus then say he can still fight only for a Dark Stone's shard to fall on his head petrifying him.
The most antasma-ish part of Neo Bowser Castle (principaly the heart of the castle) actually gave me a Castle Bleck feel, so a full antasma dungueon would probably look like a mix between a "Dreamy" Castle Bleck and Dream Deep, really a place where you feel it isn't reality anymore and where logic is thrown out of the window (complete with weird space and time mazes where you can swim in air, walk on water, get burned by earth and slip on lava), really something out of a dream.
I would like it if there is another member because he would probably adress the elephant in the room AKA as heartwarming Bleck did at the end, he still commited genocide of his own kind.
I like that idea! It gives Midbus some new powers. He could be Blizzard Midbus at the start and then Dark Stone Nightmarish Midbus later on. It would actually make him a scary enemy to face. Maybe he could be a huge threat in this game.
Perfect! Dream's Deep needed to be explored more, and the Bleck atmosphere would give it a tense feeling. I would love the feeling of walking on water and lava, and throwing all logic out of the window. Walking into a spike pit would actually advance the player, instead of stopping them. Then maybe have some things to screw with the player, like a fake item shop or something.
So who would be the other member?
Okay, you make that thread and maybe I'll make an Antasma Potential topic so we can post all out Midbus and Antasma ideas in there instead of here.
Post by solidfalcon3 on May 1, 2014 21:23:14 GMT -5
This would be a fitting end for Bowser as well,Starlow mocked him that he couldn't fight without items, here he defeat a Nightmarish Midbus with nothing but his fists.
This would be a way to cement Antasma's personality, the place would show various words floating around which tell what Antasma truly is, bonus point if the music has a part of SPM's memory theme played in a darker/sadder way with a Violin or the reverb harp of Neo Bowser's castle illusion.
IDK some guy who wasn't there when Bleck wiped his home dimension.
Post by solidfalcon3 on May 2, 2014 10:33:11 GMT -5
That or his battle theme and leitmotif become a mix between the memory theme and his DT battle theme.
I have the theory that Fawful, Midbus and the Massif Brother (along with possibly the rest of the Hooski) come from the same country which is basically the Mario equivalent of Russia (and is located in the north of Beanbean Kingdom), this would explain why they have all some problem with Beef and have strange speech paterns.
After Fawful was defeated in Superstar saga, Fawful wanted to go back in his home country but he needed money, so he opened a Bean shop, he eventually found the dark star and decided to formulate a plan, he then got back in his home country, found Midbus, created the blorb disease, then got back with Midbus on the mushroom kingdom to start said plan.
I always liked to think that Midbus was the ruler of some icy Kingdom, which would explain his powers and crown later on. Then again, that equivalent of Russia could also be icy. The Massif Bros. certainly seemed like they loved the ice and were used to harsh landscapes.
I liked that Fawful opened a shop in the sewers under Peach Castle and that is also where the Dark Star was roughly located. It made everything fit together.
Now all we need is a way for Antasma to recruit a good team of followers.
Post by solidfalcon3 on May 2, 2014 11:26:35 GMT -5
In japanese Antasma speak like Fawful and maybe a bit like incomplete Dark Bowser (his speech seem halted and is written completly in katakana like Incomplete Dark Bowser and he tend to add string of the laughing onomatopea "Gi" like "Gigigi" not unlike how Fawful tend to add strings of the laughing onomatopea "Ru" in his sentences).
I guess the incomplete dark bowser-like is another hint that Antasma may hide a few thing, in fact you know what's creepy, the word "Gi" can be read as 義 which mean "Righteousness" instead of a laugher: en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%BE%A9#Kanji
This is the antonym of Bleck's "Waru" laugh which mean "Bad/evil".
I think Midbus would be related to the royal family of this country but got kicked out after a revolt (kind of like Red october), he saw Fawful's plan as a way to regain his right to rule.
Post by solidfalcon3 on May 2, 2014 12:07:41 GMT -5
This would make a nice twist if next game Antasma help Midbus to regain his throne, so he can have a country backing him up for his plan, the massif bros could also come back this time working as assistants to Midbus (probably refering Midbus as his Beefiness or Muscle lordiness )
The thing is that when Dark Bowser became complete, he switched his katakana for a more natural speech with kanji. If Antasma is indeed incomplete, then as soon he would become "complete", then his speech would become more natural and his "Gi" laugher would change from the katakana キ to the Kanji 義.
This can be a very good hinting that Antasma may have a relation with Bleck's clan (on a side note having Antasma's complete form being a member of the tribe would be pretty nice because it could help us to imagine about what Blumiere look like)
His Beefiness sounds good. So that would make Massif Bros. bad guys in the next game, or at least antagonists. Antasma does seem like the kind of guy to want multiple allies with power. He values that obviously since he teamed with Bowser and his group.
Makes since that his speech would change upon completion.
Yeah, it would be great for Antasma to shed some light on what Blumiere looked like and how the clan was. I'd love to find out more about Antasma, Bleck, and Midbus. All three are surrounded in mystery. Bleck especially has a deep story but we don't know all that much about him before.
Maybe in the final area there could be a section where we get to see Bleck's world or a part of his memories that still exist in the fragments of the dream world.
Post by solidfalcon3 on May 2, 2014 12:46:39 GMT -5
Actually i could see the Massif Bros being double agents, they first fight the mario bros but then remember them, they then decide to help the bros to sneak through Midbus Castle's defenses.
I could see his speech going from the heavy slavic accent with screeches to a more straight english with still some slavic word (as he retain some of his bat traits) and the screeches replaced with a Count Bleck-like laugh (the screeches still show up sometime as sound effects and when he use his supersonic waves)
I think judging by his trophy, that Antasma would be taller and slender than Bleck, towering above everyone bar Rosalina.
But would be amusing to fight what can be summed as a super tall, powerful count bleck that breath fire
Post by solidfalcon3 on May 4, 2014 9:16:25 GMT -5
you know, i'll admit something, i think should Antasma come back, they should make him even more feminine looking as an in-joke (because you know i have seen many peoples mistaking Antasma for a girl and also because Nintendo seem currently to like creating villains that look like girls like ghirahim, Yuga and Taranza)
Hmm, that might work. He does seem to be the most confusing of the villains. I have seen him confused for a female too. I don't know. It might work. Ghirahim was great, and I loved Yuga. All great Zelda characters!
Post by solidfalcon3 on May 4, 2014 12:02:47 GMT -5
Well antasma is a composite of Cackletta, Elder shroob princess, Fawful and Dark Star with possibly some hints of count bleck.
Assuming he is incomplete, i wouldn't be surprised if they added to him more of Count Bleck traits along with Dimentio and the Shadow Queen, consisidering dimentio has been mistaken for a girl too, Antasma having his face being a mix of count bleck, Shadow Queen, Cackletta and Dimentio would make him quite feminine.
It might work since he would be an opposite to the hunky, rugged, beastly and manly Bowser
Nice point, he does need to be a contrast for the more rugged characters. I forgot about Dimentio. People still swear he is a female today. Maybe wishful thinking.
I never noticed how many characters Antasma seems to be a mixture of. Midbus is just a foil for Bowser but Antasma seems to be the combination of all past villains almost. Maybe we need to give him some new abilities that fit those attributes from past villains.
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Post by solidfalcon3 on May 4, 2014 12:30:29 GMT -5
The fact he seem a bit obssesed toward Luigi, don't help (through admitely a returning Antasma might be also obssesed by him, specialy after his dream power)
He has actually attacks inspired by past villains (his bat attack is a mix Cackletta's bat attack the multi dark stars ram where it put darkness, antasmunchies seem to inspired of Dark sattlemites and flarets, his nightmare move is inspired by the dark star's core chase attack, cackletta's thunderball, etc), also like Fawful he can build hight level technology.
If he come back, i would like him to have his own version of the Shadow Queen's multi-hands and Bleck Void attack, would be really fitting for a nightmare. A purple version of Dimentio's floro sprout could work too, also his mirror attack (which can be a nod about how vampires don't have a reflection) and mass duplication, with the ability to rip holes through dimensions (combination of the Elder shroob princess's time hole, Bleck void and his dream portal)
Antasma is also obsessed it seems with psychological matters, so he may view Luigi as a type of experimental interest.
The hands attack from the Shadow Queen is terrifying. I'd love it. The void is one of my favorite attacks. Both of those would work. I like the mirror/reflection idea. Nice way to add some details to his attacks. Alright! These are great ideas!
Post by solidfalcon3 on May 4, 2014 13:06:50 GMT -5
I think Antasma really need more interactions with Luigi, he is supposed to be Dreamy Luigi counterpart and Luigi was the one who stopped most of his plans (he can also trap dreamy luigi and eat him for more power).
Well, for short what i'd like about Antasma is that he was a member of Bleck's clan who became a vampire of sort and was trapped as a bat, eventually he eat the nightmares kicking DT events. After his defeat, he reawaken his elite blood and regain his former powers along with the bat and nightmare powers in bonus.
I think Midbus could pull off a tropical freeze and plunging the country he rule in an endless ice age (an opposite to Bowser's volcanic kindgom).
Actually, I'm liking the idea of just a Luigi game with Antasma as the villain. Luigi can have partners, like in Paper Mario, so more interaction between hero and villain would definitely happen. Mario does not even need to be a part of this anymore. We need to establish this rivalry without Mario, just like how Luigi was able to establish one with King Boo with minimal Mario interaction.
Yeah, I like that idea for Antasma. Regaining former powers.
Love that idea! Midbus could start an Ice Age that never ends. His land is hailed constantly by a constant blizzards that starts to infect other areas. Antasma gives him half the world to do whatever he wants with it.
Post by solidfalcon3 on May 4, 2014 13:47:13 GMT -5
Paper Luigi with Antasma as the main villain.
That or Antasma become the main villain of a Super Luigi platformer(NSLU showed it could workd), give it some super paper mario gameplay mechanics and a good story (which miyamoto would be ok since it's a luigi game)
I think the Luigi sub series should be also the darkest series of the Mario franshise (having deeper storylines, darker atmospheres and more complex villains like King boo being batshit insane as dimentio but having a genuine affection for his fellow boo and Antasma being a villain with serious past issues and being a noble demon who has his own set of standards)
Basically Midbus country would be Joke's end done right.
Paper Luigi has actually been talked about before among fans. Many really wanted it to happen, especially after Paper Mario 2 and Luigi's many crazy stories and partners.
Yeah, I'd like both a Paper Luigi RPG and then a platformer game. The platformers could really help bring exposure to the whole idea since most Mario fans check those out first. Good idea.
Yeah, I agree with darker themes. It is basically a must if you have a tragic villain and heavy psychological themes. Plus, people love the darker themes in The Thousand Year Door, as Rogueport is one of the most popular places. So I would love some dark ideas and side stories within the main storyline itself, like Bobbery's story was. I also love the idea of bad guys that have good qualities. Villains who kill others, but show affection for their group. So I'm on board with the more complex villains.
That's sounds perfect for Midbus. ^_^ Now I'm really excited for these game ideas, man. I wish we could make it happen.